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After these last pages of discussion, I doubted my own recollection of events. I remember biting the bullet some time ago after inquiring about the game, but never did get far into the game because the MC is just an idiot. Erynn being Erynn did not help either. As far as I remembered there was an actual rejection, but some said that other characters have a different version. So I got up to date with this version.
I read the last few pages and I have to say that there is an actual objective rejection from Erynn. There is no perception argument to be had. Even considering that every character and her grandma has a different version in the VN. It is shown that Erynn took the flower, then it is shown that she didn't. Even if she did, she just said to Ethan not to laugh in the best version of events. The point is that she never says anything to the MC. She keeping quiet is a defacto rejection.
It starts with the most basic thing, the definition:
"1a: to refuse to accept, consider, submit to, take for some purpose, or use
b: to refuse to hear, receive, or admit :".
Note that nowhere does it says that it has to be a verbal response. If I ask something from someone face to face and I get no response, it is a rejection by definition. In the best version of events, it could be argued that she did took the flower, but the flower is not in itself the declaration. For example, if someone tries to bribe you offering a gift, you take the gift but never verbally respond and never do what was asked of you, then you just accepted a gift, and no one can say you accepted a bribe.
I'll go further still.
"Social psychologists study real, imagined, and implied rejection in a variety of forms and contexts. Explicit rejection, exclusion, and ostracism are different kinds of rejection than can occur within groups or dyadic relationships of a romantic or platonic nature."
Implied rejection is exactly what I gave as an example. Example, I don't explicitly reject but never give a response, it is as simple as that. This has actual uses in interpersonal and legal relations and these uses commonly boil down to saving face or covering your own ass.
Now you are saying, V1900 you are just pulling stuff out of your ass!
Well, there is this concept of avoiding obligations, lets limit the scope to obligations I accrue on myself by just talking. If I say that I will pay for the soda of the person in front of me at the store, I just assigned an obligation on myself. What is the fastest most efficient way of avoiding it? To just shut up in the first place. This is also a way of avoiding a fuck up in an interpersonal relation. Age old tactic, I am never wrong because I never do anything.
"Sometimes avoidance occurs on the physical plane: the person abandons his family or job, but other times he hides behind indifference and silence. In those cases, the person is present, but avoids talking about the issue, usually keeping silent."
Going back to implied rejection. Why did she implicitly rejected the declaration? Erynn did in fact rejected the MC, but she did not say so verbally as to avoid being morally bound/obliged to explain herself either to her friends or the MC. Morally bound just means being bound by what is "right according to the code of behavior of a particular society", if I ask about something to someone, face to face, it is expected as a right behavior to at least get an "I don't know" in response.
So Erynn's implied rejection is for the purpose of avoiding any possibility of an obligation/moral bind of having to explain herself to her friends if they questioned her. She did not want to explain why she is involved with this weird kid, simple as that. Now some would say she has no obligation to explain herself, indeed she doesn't, no one can make her do anything, but she chooses not to adhere to that expected right behavior, she made an ethic decision that is right for her, but she also has to accept the causal effects. There is no right or wrong here it's just about making choices and owning them, consider this:
Skip time and now any argument saying she did not reject him rings like a white knight tripping over himself in real life or in the VN. I get that the drama and misunderstandings in this VN are its bread and butter, but damn trying to spin this shit as not being a rejection goes against a whole body of scientific study.
I read the last few pages and I have to say that there is an actual objective rejection from Erynn. There is no perception argument to be had. Even considering that every character and her grandma has a different version in the VN. It is shown that Erynn took the flower, then it is shown that she didn't. Even if she did, she just said to Ethan not to laugh in the best version of events. The point is that she never says anything to the MC. She keeping quiet is a defacto rejection.
It starts with the most basic thing, the definition:
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."1a: to refuse to accept, consider, submit to, take for some purpose, or use
b: to refuse to hear, receive, or admit :".
Note that nowhere does it says that it has to be a verbal response. If I ask something from someone face to face and I get no response, it is a rejection by definition. In the best version of events, it could be argued that she did took the flower, but the flower is not in itself the declaration. For example, if someone tries to bribe you offering a gift, you take the gift but never verbally respond and never do what was asked of you, then you just accepted a gift, and no one can say you accepted a bribe.
I'll go further still.
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."Social psychologists study real, imagined, and implied rejection in a variety of forms and contexts. Explicit rejection, exclusion, and ostracism are different kinds of rejection than can occur within groups or dyadic relationships of a romantic or platonic nature."
Implied rejection is exactly what I gave as an example. Example, I don't explicitly reject but never give a response, it is as simple as that. This has actual uses in interpersonal and legal relations and these uses commonly boil down to saving face or covering your own ass.
Now you are saying, V1900 you are just pulling stuff out of your ass!
Well, there is this concept of avoiding obligations, lets limit the scope to obligations I accrue on myself by just talking. If I say that I will pay for the soda of the person in front of me at the store, I just assigned an obligation on myself. What is the fastest most efficient way of avoiding it? To just shut up in the first place. This is also a way of avoiding a fuck up in an interpersonal relation. Age old tactic, I am never wrong because I never do anything.
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"Sometimes avoidance occurs on the physical plane: the person abandons his family or job, but other times he hides behind indifference and silence. In those cases, the person is present, but avoids talking about the issue, usually keeping silent."
Going back to implied rejection. Why did she implicitly rejected the declaration? Erynn did in fact rejected the MC, but she did not say so verbally as to avoid being morally bound/obliged to explain herself either to her friends or the MC. Morally bound just means being bound by what is "right according to the code of behavior of a particular society", if I ask about something to someone, face to face, it is expected as a right behavior to at least get an "I don't know" in response.
So Erynn's implied rejection is for the purpose of avoiding any possibility of an obligation/moral bind of having to explain herself to her friends if they questioned her. She did not want to explain why she is involved with this weird kid, simple as that. Now some would say she has no obligation to explain herself, indeed she doesn't, no one can make her do anything, but she chooses not to adhere to that expected right behavior, she made an ethic decision that is right for her, but she also has to accept the causal effects. There is no right or wrong here it's just about making choices and owning them, consider this:
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. Skip time and now any argument saying she did not reject him rings like a white knight tripping over himself in real life or in the VN. I get that the drama and misunderstandings in this VN are its bread and butter, but damn trying to spin this shit as not being a rejection goes against a whole body of scientific study.
- Jul 1, 2017
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Yes, and that also makes her worst in my book, her time has passed her by and should step aside. How so, she butts in between Lexi and the MC as if either of them had any obligation to her. It could be argued that Lexi has an obligation out of loyalty to her friend but that is just petty and egotistical on Erynn's side. Also, the MC needs some self-respect. How many men in real life actually keep the friendship with the girl that rejected them, very few and I won't comment on them.
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from a guy's point of view, lexi does indeed have an obligation towards erynn as she knows who MC is
and guys don't touch something who their bro has "reserved", to say so
but women don't share the same values as men. they don't have that rule. and people (guys) who play this game hold that against lexi because they apply their own view of the situation
just to note - I am not defending lexi nor trying to slander her. this is a neutral post about life in the wilderness
and guys don't touch something who their bro has "reserved", to say so
but women don't share the same values as men. they don't have that rule. and people (guys) who play this game hold that against lexi because they apply their own view of the situation
just to note - I am not defending lexi nor trying to slander her. this is a neutral post about life in the wilderness
- Oct 28, 2020
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I don't get this... Would you be ok if your bff did this to you? First thing she does after recognizing MC is try to literally fuck him...
There is a sign of absence of moral standards here...
And the fact that people argue about this is proof enough.
- Jan 1, 2019
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Life seems pretty black and white for you.Yes, and that also makes her worst in my book, her time has passed her by and should step aside. How so, she butts in between Lexi and the MC as if either of them had any obligation to her. It could be argued that Lexi has an obligation out of loyalty to her friend but that is just petty and egotistical on Erynn's side. Also, the MC needs some self-respect. How many men in real life actually keep the friendship with the girl that rejected them, very few and I won't comment on them.
Teens and preteens (like Erynn and MC back at the time) were exactly that, young people doing shit and not knowing anything about serious matters.
You never changed ideas ?
All is fair in love and war.
If you don't think that men and women are fighting little wars for a partner that they want... Well, that is a sad world you live in. Someone, somewhere, will eventually want to fight for you. It'll be ok!
If you don't think that men and women are fighting little wars for a partner that they want... Well, that is a sad world you live in. Someone, somewhere, will eventually want to fight for you. It'll be ok!
Let me frame this to you this way. I rejected a girl in the past because at the time I didn't have feelings for her, cool, then fast-forward some years and some failed relations. Now I start to wonder if I fucked up. I keep telling my best friend I would take her now. But then they start to like each other, while I am in no position to be offer her a relation because I am an escort and she no longer has an interest in me. I would tell him to swim in the mud to his life's contempt.
In real life I had a somewhat similar situation. A really good friend of mine (we have been friends for over 28 years and still are) asked me about this woman he knew I tried to have a relation with (asked her to be my girlfriend). I said to him "she wants nothing to do with me, go for it". There is nothing to it, there were only my flights of fancy (in my mind), nothing more.
The "reserved" concept is valid when you first call dibs man. Once you struck out that shit is free border.
Similarly, the bros before hoes concept applies to an ass you have already tapped. So Erynn should have had to already fucked the MC. She struck out and is now just having mental wanks.
- Oct 28, 2020
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So this is how a friend does it... He tells you... This how i would do it... But Alexis... nope
Sure, I do, but life does not rewrite itself just because I changed my mind. I cannot hold accountable anybody else to my choices.
About the teens argument. I always had a problem understanding that as an excuse since I was held accountable for my actions since I was 15 years old. It was my business if I attended school (heck I even had to pay for it myself), if I offended someone, if I did something or didn't, my parents did not intervene. For fuck's sake at 16 years old you can stand trial as an adult.
In that regard life is really black and white, if you want the grey areas, the kindness of people, that is up to them (the people) if they want to give it, you can't demand it.
Yeah, I'll give the reason to you about that. It is always nice to get the courtesy. Still, it does not give Erynn any standing to forbid their relation, in my opinion.
- Nov 20, 2021
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Alexis definitely knows more about Erynn's feelings after the MC left, than us readers..Yes, and that also makes her worst in my book, her time has passed her by and should step aside. How so, she butts in between Lexi and the MC as if either of them had any obligation to her. It could be argued that Lexi has an obligation out of loyalty to her friend but that is just petty and egotistical on Erynn's side. Also, the MC needs some self-respect. How many men in real life actually keep the friendship with the girl that rejected them, very few and I won't comment on them.
That's why she hid the truth....
- Nov 20, 2021
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I don't think she was rejecting him, I believe she just needed time to think about how she truly feels.
She sure does. But I kind of get that you did not get the point I was making. I might have worded it the wrong way.
I have already said that the argument can be made regarding Lexi's fuck up. "It could be argued that Lexi has an obligation out of loyalty to her friend". But my main point is not that, my main point is that Erynn has no standing to impede them. She has no say in how they live their lives. Best she could hope for was the curtesy of being informed, too bad she didn't get it.
It's related to what the user I responded to was saying, she lost the romantic aspect but that does not mean she lost her friend. I concurred with him but differing on the losing the friendship and added that because she lost the romantic aspect with the MC, she no longer has the right to dictate the MC's romantic life. Just that.
- Nov 20, 2021
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Yup, as a friend Alexis sucks...
She definitely should've said something...
To both the MC and Erynn.
- Apr 19, 2021
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well, look at it however you wantThe "reserved" concept is valid when you first call dibs man. Once you struck out that shit is free border.
Similarly, the bros before hoes concept applies to an ass you have already tapped. So Erynn should have had to already fucked the MC. She struck out and is now just having mental wanks.
be it just calling dibs on one end or marrying the chick at the other end
but women don't have that
- Jul 25, 2020
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Alexis certainly knew how Erynn felt, however Alexis felt the same and has done from the start. She's the one who went after MC after the flower incident and kissed him not Erynn. After hearing MC's story she realised that once MC saw Erynn again her chance would be gone, so she took her only chance to make a move. Yes, she could have been honest with MC regarding who she was, but again that could have cost her what she thought was her only chance.